Podcast #1 Show Notes - Our Thoughts on Personal Training

PODCAST #1 Our Thoughts on Personal Training. Show Notes

Personal Training is a goal driven product, which, should always deliver a tangible result or return on investment for the paying client. Personal Training has to be something specific to the paying client and it’s up to the personal trainer to deliver a result for that particular person, simple as that.

Leigh:               Personal training should be like anything, it should be a goal driven product, which delivers a tangible result or return on investment for the paying client. And so personal training is, that could be anything from a specific sports skill that someone wants to train for or body composition changes or just become generally fitter and healthier. It does depend, and it has to be a very specific thing. Personal training in general should not be a generic product, it’s not just about making you tired for an hour. Personal Training has to be something specific to the paying client. And it’s up to the personal trainer to deliver a result for that particular person, simple as that.

Leigh:               But I feel where most of the industry goes wrong is that it’s, most of the time it’s just a paid exercise. Is something like that, is just going to supervise, a paid exercise session and not babysitter for an hour. Just a lot of the time it isn’t target driven. It’s not specific to the actual client’s wants and needs and actually allows them to progress over time. And it’s not a coaching relationship.

Tarek:              There’s no real purpose, if a client comes to you and says, I want to lose body fat, then you have them doing umpteen jumping jacks and Olympic lifting movements, which doesn’t really have much carryover. So if a client who’s potentially, I don’t know 20, 30 kilos overweight comes to you with a specific goal that they want to lose weight for the wedding in three months time. You want to get them to their goal but in the safest possible manner and have them learn along the way. So you’re not having to go into, well I get to this later on but into great depth and detail and confuse them and to some extent scare them. You want to have them go along their journey with you for however long one month, two months, three months, then carrying on for six and enjoying it, seeing benefit, being able to learn.

“ You want them to get to their goal in the safest manner possible and have them learn about themselves along the way. You want them to hit their goal and enjoy the process:”

Tarek:               So when they go do it by themselves, they’re safe and they can actually translate what they’ve done with you to themselves. But a lot of personal trainers I’ve seen, don’t really have a real purpose, a real goal or real vision at the beginning of their training session with the client or the journey. And they just want to kind of smash them in the floor. So they don’t feel like they’ve given the client time value-

Leigh:               Value, yes.

Tarek:               There’s no perceived value unless the client is walking out dying feeling like, oh, I puked and like the personal trainer, feels like, Oh I feel great and so [crosstalk] I’ve made the client puke. But what, where’s that going to actually get them? Oh, the client feels so sore they can’t walk for six days. There’s something clearly wrong with it. There’s something not 100%.

Leigh:               Yes, I completely agree. I think it’s, I was definitely very guilty of that in my early personal training days because that it’s a luxury product to the end of the day. Personal training is something that, requires a certain amount of disposable income and it requires a certain amount of investment. And typically in my earlier days you think, you weren’t giving enough value to a client unless you are smashing them into the ground. Nowadays, the clients still leave tired and they’ve worked hard. But this is very much like a difference of allowing them to work hard and leaving room for improvement week on week. While making sure that the sole purpose of the session isn’t absolutely running him into the ground or how many burpees you can do or how many rounds in the ski-erg you can do or how many rounds on the Prowler, this, that and the other.

Leigh:               And it’s, this a lot of the time and it’s very client dependent. But it should be a very specific process. It has to be purposeful. So majority of clients that we work with typically come to us for body composition changes. So generally they want to drop body fat, they want to gain muscle tissue, they want to get stronger so on and so forth. So how we approach things is going to be very, very specific around that goal.

Leigh:             But there’s stuff that we measure at the beginning, and my coaching practice all revolves around data. Improving those datasets and how hard we push the client is, initially is very dependent on the individual. Is not, some clients can’t tolerate being pushed to the limit first time around, they have to be built up into it and they have to be educated on the things, that are going to be beneficial for them outside of the gym as well. Because it all kind of like merges in and you have to be aware of the client’s life as a whole.

Tarek:               Think of it as a continuum. So why I like to look their life and kind of explain to each and every client before they start with me. Day One is we are starting you out where you’re at. So a client comes to see you, brand new who’s never trained before. They probably won’t have that much tolerance to training stimulus in volume and doing a little bit will reap a lot of rewards. But as they kind of progress through their journey with you over the first day of the 60thday, they’re going to be able to withstand more, do more. The nutrition habits are better, their lifestyle habits is better, they sleep better, digestion, so forth. You want to be able to get them to that level, safely. You want to get them to that level where they’re comfortable. You want to get to the level.

Tarek:               There’s always going to be a bit of uncomfortable feeling because you’re doing something which you’re not used to. So the first couple of weeks is going to feel hard. The first couple of weeks going to be like, oh, I can’t do this or some of them are going to feel like, oh, I can’t get to this position. But your job as a coach, as a trainer is go that rapport, is to build that communication with the person and actually get them. A lot of the time you’ll see that the client wants to lose weight, the client doesn’t really know what it entails. So if you kind of set the standard to the client and tell them exactly what it entails from day one and kind of throwing things at them from the, I don’t know, half way through saying, oh we’re going to have to do this and that. It be kind of tell them the process of where they are expecting to be in the next 60 days-

Leigh:               Yes, that’s really important for client motivations on keeping at it. I think a lot of the time this is like, recording data and so it keeps. A lot of the time then people when clients aren’t feeling particularly motivated is normally because they’ve lost sight of where they are on their journey. And sometimes it’s just reminding them of that and how far they have come. We will refer to the data that they’ve recorded, help them understand the facts of where they are right now and what’s caused it and how that all relates to what’s happening on a physiological level, can make a huge impact for the client. And going back to what you said about, rapport, and I’m huge on this and I think one of the reasons why, for all of my clients who work with me do so well is because the level of rapport that you build.

Leigh:               And I think that’s so key for compliance adherence and from a coach for them to be able to tell you the truth and for you to be able to tell them the truth also. And that comes from a mutual level of respect and wanting the best for them. So I think from a new client’s perspective, early days it’s about building a relationship and understanding what pushes them and it’s earning the trust really. Because what I found, I find is that, it’s, that’s what yields the best results.

Tarek:               So if you’re invested in the process, and the client sees you’re invested in the process, they’ll even more invested. They’ll be like, oh yes, the client, the PT cares so much about what I’m doing. So they’ll feel like they have to kind of stay invested in, and say you stick to it and actually want to make you proud. But you also like, with each and every client that comes to me, I’m more, well, I’m kind of about sensitive in terms of I want to get them to their result more than they actually want to get there. So I’ll do whatever I can, I’ll try and make the process in the and try and simplify as much as possible so they can enjoy it.

Tarek:               Because we’ve got a lot of PTs that say, oh it can’t fun and it has to be some sort of military bootcamp and it’s this and that. There has to be an element of enjoyment. Nine times out of 10 most people would be like, I’m not doing this, in any walk of life. So if you’re going to go to a concert, if you’re going to go to an event, if you’re going to go to something and if you don’t enjoy it, the likelihood of you sticking to it is going to be very slim.

Tarek:               So if the client doesn’t actually enjoy training with you and you don’t enjoy journey with the client and there’s no rapport, give it three months, give it two months, give it a month, someone either end of the side, either end of the spectrum, still going to be a lot, lack of communication. They’re not going to be able to, they’re not going to come to the sessions. They’re going to cancel more, and you’re going to see it from 100% accuracy and efficiency from the client and the trainer is going to go down and down and down and out.

“A lot of the time then people when clients aren’t feeling particularly motivated is normally because they’ve lost sight of where they are on their journey. And sometimes it’s just reminding them of that and how far they have come”

Leigh:           And I think, going back to that point, it’s, just have some boundaries as well as it’s knowing what the client can get away with based on their goals and also making sure that it is a somewhat enjoyable process. And I think for, not every client you’ll satisfy there’s not every session is got to be enjoyable for the client, but what they have to, most of them do end up realizing that no, they’ll little start to enjoy the, the outcome of their hard work. And that, that’s what’s going to be the main driver because they all of a sudden we’re in the process, which actually they know it’s working and it’s what they want. And I think a lot of the problem with the personal training industry as a whole, that there’s not a lot of this.

Leigh:               This is why a lot of people have wasted thousands and thousands of pounds on personal trainers and not see any result from it. It’s because one, the data recording isn’t there, two there’s no accountability for that data or coaching around how to perfect things around that outside of the sessions. And clients get kind of get lost in it. And it’s like, and this is why it’s so important for trainers like us to get our message out there because, we’re incredibly passionate. I want the result for my client more than they probably want it for themselves just because I know how much of an investment it is. And I would do my utmost to deliver a result for that client. And it’s always the biggest motivator for me, for my business is delivering these results for people that they’ve tried all their lives to get.

Tarek:               We’ve been doing a long time so, well 9% of the time it’s not really that the client can’t do it or the client finds the training hard, the nutrition, it’s just a shift in mindset. And so I kind of know when someone comes to see me, I can say, okay, you might roughly need xyz amount of time. Because you can tell from the way they are, their posture, their body language. But nine times out of 10 if for the first couple of weeks, if you try and implement things to shift the way they think and think more so, I can do it rather than I can’t do it, they’ll soon jump on that bandwagon. But like, you know what, I can actually do this, you know what? The chain is not that hard per se, the exercises will feel hard in itself.

Tarek:               The training session will kill a little bit-

Leigh:               But it’s doable, right?

Tarek:               … in a good area. It will be doable, but they’ll change, they’ll shift their minds in the way they think to more, so I can do this rather than I can’t. Because then all my clients to come see me at first they were like, you know what this, I’ve tried this before in the past but I fell off the bandwagon after three weeks. And if you talk to them and you find out a little bit more hence why data track is important because you can see these little things.

Tarek:               Because people are very vague in their responses because again, at the end of the day, most people don’t look at this in great detail. They don’t, if I ask somebody, how would you feel after that meal, I feel fine. Okay, what does fine mean? Okay, how’d you sleep? Fine, what does fine mean? Fine, for a lot of people can mean a different thing because fine for someone can be, no they’ve got 2 hour sleep but for them, that’s fine. But somebody’s got 10 hours sleep for them, that’s crap. So you have to kind of, the data allows us to see what the-

Leigh:               You see the trends, and you kind of how the certain trends relates to how that particular client feels. And then when things start to go off track, you can then push them in the right direction. Because a lot of the times simply just being aware of the data is enough education alone longterm for a client to be successful and keep the weight off that they’ve lost and maintain their transformation results and whatnot. And I think a lot the time, let’s face it, we don’t all want to be tracking off food forever. We don’t always want to be tracking every single aspect of our lives forever. We don’t, I don’t particularly want to do that, but I know there’s quite significant periods of time when I want to change. Recording this data is imperative really. And it gives a client such a huge insight into how their body functions and their lifestyle, their routines and that and just being aware of those factors alone is what will make the client feel what they pay us for.

Leigh:               And it’s not just the exercise session. And this is, another topic of compensation to get there. But personal trainers, like ourselves charging an hourly rate because we both know that actually it’s not just the hourly personal training sessions that you’ve dealt with, that’s where the magic is. It’s not, it’s like it’s, the personal training sessions, where the physiological adaptations occur, outside of those sessions is where kind of they’ve got the lifestyle stuff, the behaviour stuff, the kind of the food, that’s where the real the magic is. And that’s where the real value in personal training and coaching comes to play.

Tarek:               Why do, you have a training session, it’s an hour, there’s another 23 hours of the day. I see most of my clients online face to face your, it’s a coaching service. So I’m here for you to ask questions for you to message me for, to let me know what you need me to do to improve the service for you to get more chance to get a better result. But most people feel like, I don’t want to burden, I don’t want do this. I was like, but this is my job. You wouldn’t go to a doctor and say, I don’t want to burden you, you’re not going to go to a lawyer and say I don’t want to burden you with extra work or tell me about this, tell me about … This is why you pay me for my service, for my ability to coach you into getting a result for my ability to coach you into being able to change your habits.

Tarek:               Like you were saying before, most people don’t want to be tracking their food forever, they don’t want to be doing this, they don’t want to do that. At first, it’s probably, I want to say essential.

Leigh:               It’s pretty much essential, right? Yes.

Tarek:               Yes, it’s essential that you kind of have an idea of what you’re actually eating because if I tell someone what’s the 200 gram piece of uncooked chicken look like? Nine times out of 10 they’re going to look at me like I have no idea. But for you to be able to, like I said, it’s a transition, it’s a journey for you to get to that sustainable approach. And for you to eyeball a piece of chicken, eyeball a piece of, I don’t know, sweet potato or something. You have to have gone through that. So you find on, this is another-

Leigh:               Sustainability comes later. Sustainability always comes later when we are learning anything new, right?

Tarek:               Yes, this is an off topic thing because you got a lot of people that would be like, I saw this person on Instagram, or my favorite fitness star and this and that. And they talk about sustainability and lifestyle approaches and, but I can guarantee you 99.9% of those people went through what you’re going through right now. So there’s not one person who just woke up one day and said, oh, you know, I’m going to be sustainable. My lifestyle is sustainable lifestyle approach, I’m not going to check anything. I’m not going to do this. 99% of them either had a food eating disorder. They’ve gone through this process, they’ve gone through that process, they’ve tried everything. And five years down the line, they’ve gone to that approach where they’re sustainable and don’t track their macros and they don’t track, they go on how they feel-

Leigh:               But the knowledge is built up from the previous rime that they were, yes.

Tarek:               But most people go on how they feel. But how do they feel right now is the reason why they come to you is because they feel like crap. And they don’t feel good about themselves, they don’t feel like got energy, they don’t sleep, they don’t have, they have bad digestion. So habits have to change cause you can’t, those are ingrained bad habits. Those are the things that you have to rewire.

Tarek:               So it takes a little bit of time to rewire, and it takes a bit of time to, it’s basically going cold Turkey on certain things, so you can actually get to a point where you’re like, I could actually be sustainable. I can do this, I can do that, go out with my friends. I can enjoy social situations where I don’t feel guilty, in not having a drink. I feel guil- and if you are going to have a drink, enjoy the drink. Don’t feel like, oh my God, I had to drink, I’m going to go to the gym tomorrow and burn it all off. That again is an unhealthy relationship with going to the gym and foods. If you feel like you’ve had a cheesecake, if you feel like you’ve had a piece, a slice of pizza, don’t feel like, oh my God, I’m going to have to go to the gym tomorrow and burn like 700 calories to unwash all my pizza and all this and all.

Tarek:               That again becomes unhealthy and it’s not a lifestyle approach that you want to take a long term. In the show for you to lose the body fat to change, add some muscle. You want to be changing certain things to once you do get to that point, you’ve got a better education. You’ve got a smarter way of thinking that if you do go and have a pizza, it’s not going to ruin your whole week.

Leigh:               Well, that’s the thing. I start and that’s what I mean, that like you said, it’s a journey. I think it’s, a client gets that level of understanding of the all or nothing thinking, just a one pizza, is this. I mean they get to that understanding through a level of immersion, they have to be immersed into the kind of the process of almost I’m going all in and what isn’t sustainable long term just to realize what actually really is sustainable.

Leigh:               And I think the clients that I’ve taken somewhat of a more of a quote unquote a sustainable approach with, are the ones that typically don’t get as great results. They want sustainability off the bat. And sometimes for some clients that is necessarily because it’s where they are right now. However, it’s not an optimal approach and it’s one of those things I’d much rather train someone for three to four months intensively creating a quick change and spending the next less time with them over the next six, seven, eight months building sustainability into their lives. Because that’s what’s really going to keep them in a place where they’re healthier, they’re happier, they’re more confident in their skin. They do it, they’re feeling more energetic at work. They’re feeling, that their work performance is better, they’re feeling like all these things are starting to take their full and they can control of. Whereas if they give you, sometimes it’s very easy for life to get in the way when you’re going at things, you’re dipping your toe in the water. It has to, that is,

Tarek:               It has to be to some extent an all or nothing approach, does it?

Leigh:               It does, you have to be willing to start. I’m a big believer, you have to be willing to start any form of personal training whether it’s one to one or online with knowing that [inaudible] okay, this is going to be a huge change. And because I think that’s what’s going and if the clients I have consults with, the ones aren’t really, the ones that I would never to ever choose to work with are the ones that kind of a little bit, are kind of hesitant to do what I want. I’m going to ask them to do because I know that this is going to be one of burning on my resources, but also it’s going to be a waste of their money. So it’s really, really important to kind of like, to think of personal training like that.

“This is why a lot of people have wasted thousands and thousands of pounds on personal trainers and not see any result from it. It’s because one, the data recording isn’t there, two there’s no accountability for that data or coaching around how to perfect things around that outside of the sessions. And clients get kind of get lost in it. And it’s like, and this is why it’s so important for trainers like us to get our message out there because, we’re incredibly passionate. I want the result for my client more than they probably want it for themselves just because I know how much of an investment it is. And I would do my utmost to deliver a result for that client. And it’s always the biggest motivator for me, for my business is delivering these results for people that they’ve tried all their lives to get.”

Tarek:               Yes, because you have to, you have to be honest. So again, if somebody comes in and says, oh, I want to have a glass of wine every week, I want to have this every week, I want to have that or that. You do know that might take you a year to lose the weight you want to lose. If you are saying to me, I will lose it in three months, it’s probably not going to happen because nine times out of 10, you get the person who says, I want to have this, I want to have that. It doesn’t stop with just one. And these are things that the reason why I tell people, you know what, at first we’re going to have to go cold Turkey. We’re going to change this. You’re going to follow a meal plan. You got to have structure in your life. You’re going to prep this, you’re going to do that, doesn’t mean having to weigh everything out.

Tarek:               At first, it will make it a lot easier because you have an idea, even if it means tracking on my fitness pal for a couple of days so you can see what you actually having and your intake. And then keeping it like that and then busy professionals that we see, they’ve got stressful lives, they’ve got this going on, they’ve got that going on. If we try and make things as simple as possible, there’s more likely-

Leigh:               And that’s it. And that’s where the value of us is because yes, it’s an immersive process. Yes. It’s like it’s some elements are going to be particularly challenging but this is where the value of us comes in because we, it’s not like our job is to make that process as easy as it possibly can and that’s where the expertise comes in. Knowing what the optimal amount of training volume is going to make you recover and adapt and knowing how hard to push and knowing how many calories to set you on. Knowing how your meal serves is going to be and what supplementation you’re going to have or use and push you in a certain, that’s where our expertise lies. And that’s what like advising you on how to set up your, structure your lifestyle to make sure you know your lifestyles on point. And you’re recovering while in this fitting, getting the most out of the process. So, so important.

Tarek:               I started doing coaching and just buying a 10 pound plan online. You’re buying around and plan online. There’s no specifics to you so it doesn’t have much volume you should do. It doesn’t tell you if your sleep hours sink, if you’re stressed out somethings-

Leigh:               Because that massively affects the volume you can recover from, right?

Tarek:               Yes, because sometimes you might go into a session and you’ll, you’ve got a plan on paper but you step two hours. I’ll take myself for an example. I went to the gym on Monday, I slept pretty bad on Sunday night. I went in, did some of my program and I was like, I just couldn’t focus so I had to change around, I had to lower the volume a little bit. I did two working set instead of three. I changed an exercise around because I just didn’t feel like I was with it. But the idea of coaching is some clients will come to me one-to-one not slept, not have that much to eat, you’ve been in meetings all day, tired, stressed, things are on their mind. I look at a piece of paper that we’re meant to do on the program like you know what we are not doing this today we’re going to do x, y, Z. I’m going to pick four exercises, three exercises, two, one, wherever it is and we’re going to push towards your main goal. So your main goal will be to get to that x, y, z-

Leigh:               And I think that’s probably one of the reasons why a lot of clients failed previously on programs before because they see like a nutrition program or a training program is like, I sent you a rigid thing. It’s like you have to do it this by this reps and these sets and this exercise in this order and an on these days per week or four/five days over the course of the seven days, whatever it may be. And when, and the speed life will get in the way or they’ve had a bad night’s sleep or whatever, they go, oh fuck, I can’t do this, that I can’t sustain this, is for, therefore this program isn’t working, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Leigh:               And generally like the skill set that we have is the ability to make the client understand what levels and to what extent to take things from somewhere else and put things out. It’s okay to change the program because the, what the main goal is to put you towards the end goal and that keep on that trajectory. And sometimes, when a client’s is feeling [inaudible] knackered, stressed out and not going to respond well to training, the worst thing to do is keep hammering that same program sometimes because that’s not going to be conducive to longterm success.

Tarek:               And again, if the client does come in not feeling particularly great by themselves and you’re trying to make them do something where last week they did, I don’t know, a hundred kilos and a trackball and you felt it, you know, they’re not going to get anywhere close to a hundred kilos and a trackball today. And if you want to progressively overload them and get them stronger or do more reps, you know they’re not going to get to that. There’s no way in heck they’re going to get to that. So you might be like, you’d probably want to be smart about that, but you know what? Let’s not try and do this today. Let’s do this program. Or let’s do work out B, workout C. Or let’s just change work out A and do this instead and play around with stuff because that will potentially take them 10 steps back.

Tarek:               And if they’re already feeling lousy and they can’t do anything in the gym because they’ve got no energy, that’s going to create even more of a, I won’t say dysfunctional, but more about unhealthy, unhappy situation. So you want to be able to be smart about it because that’s why a lot of the stuff you see online, like these programs are bought for 50 pounds and people are like, oh, I’m doing this program and it’s great for me. But it’s great-

Leigh:               So even the programs you get to see a lot that was online, somewhat online coaching as well, right? It’s like most of it still wasn’t really online coaching. Like a one, a two reply on an email you’re saying keep going. No macro changes this week. Sometimes it’s not really going to cut it. That’s another argument for another day, but it’s just and that’s the thing that’s I think sometimes-

Tarek:               Because sometimes some of them you might not have to make any changes in the categories. Sometimes you might have to make any changes in the program or anything at all because they’re losing weight. That’s again, what online coaches and other trainers think, oh, I have to make this change and have to change this and- [crosstalk] change has to happen. If somebody stalling, if somebody is losing a kilogram a week, someone’s losing five kilos, then okay, you remind me to up your calories. Or if some of these not responded to or somebody can’t feel as an exercise somebody because there’s no need to be like, oh yes, cool, you dropped two kilos. Okay, let’s drop the calories even lower let’s increase your calories even more if things are going on the trajectory that you wanted to and you know where you’re going to be in 12 weeks time.

Tarek:               If I know client x is going to be losing between eight to 10 kilos or I want to have them in this position, there’s no need to go crazy and change things from day one. Or changing for week one and week two, week three. Some clients I’ve had on the same program, the same macros for 12 weeks and I haven’t changed anything because they’d just been losing, losing, losing, I might make a few changes in the last three weeks. And the last week, last two days-

Leigh:               Kind of we got volume still.

Tarek:               I would say it kind of depends on where the person is out. So it depends on if I need to make a change, there’s no point because we’ve got some clients, online clients, who’ll message me what we doing this week or are you going to change my food? Well, how are you finding everything? It’s great. I feel fantastic. Everything is-

Leigh:               And that our job to-

Tarek:               Tell them from day one you want to them, you know what, some things might not change because these-

Leigh:               Understand why, and these things and the factors and actually having the resources behind the scenes, regards to our Facebook groups, which we do have by the way.

Tarek:               Don’t you want to join, drop us a DM.

Leigh:               Yes exactly. We’ll obviously plug it in a second, but yes. So yes, and that’s the thing our Facebook groups the whole point part behind these groups is for me is to make the client want to ask less questions or possible and understand a bit more. I want to make my philosophy is I want to make my clients more educated, than the majority of the personal training industry and that’s my biggest thing that I want to achieve with my career is that everyone I work with becomes incredibly educated about exercise and nutrition and-

Tarek:               Know the whys behind it, again.

Leigh:               The whys, with a logical explanation and it’s not based on like broad science or kind of the trends of the time or if is it’s Ketos the most effective way to fatten off. And not be reactive to the [inaudible 00:29:38].

Tarek:               How many burpees can you do.

Leigh:               Whereas actually all kind of, and that’s never an argument and making sure to look at this stuff that you see on social media, particularly Instagram that take it with a pinch of salt. And that I think that’s context, that that might be good for someone at that particular time with a certain goal. It’s not always about that’s what the thing that you necessarily should be doing. Just because is currently a trend, for example, the current trend particularly is big on Instagram, this kind of crossfit based on intensity work outs. Because let’s face it, they look good on camera and a lot of that stuff is kind of good to watch.

Leigh:               But at the same time it’s a lot, a lot of my initial phases of talking to a client is undoing all the, the biases and the shit that they see on Instagram. Is kind of like, okay, now this isn’t particularly good version of exercise for you because of this, this and this. This nutritional practices, probably not the best for you because of this, this and this. And actually giving them options and understanding, okay, cool. And then they start to be educated because they understand why it isn’t useful for them right now because you understand them as a person.

Leigh:               So that’s why I’m a huge fan of data and collecting as much personal information as I can because you have to educate clients about this kind of stuff. Because the social media isn’t quite coming in at the moment and articles that you’ll certainly read and that’s the thing because a lot of the stuff that clients read, a lot of it, especially we will have our blog site from 2014, things might be quite outdated by then. It’s not anything it’s important for us as trainers to keep ourselves educated, keep ourself at the forefront of current of what, where knowledge changes and the trends so we can advise accordingly. But yes, that’s pretty much it.

Tarek:               Well, last of our point is sometimes you want to look at, well trainers need to realize that what works for them might not work for the client. So if your client is a 45 year old male or female and sits on or sits down most of the day, has dodgy knees, shoulders hurt, this hurts. You probably don’t want to be doing box jumps with them. You don’t want to be doing this with them. And if you’re a physique competitor or you do bodybuilding shows, you do x, y, z, your client who probably worked in the city, who’s got a family of three kids, probably does want to be eating chicken and Broccoli and rice for six meals a day. So as personal training is personal, the nutrition has to be personal. The training has to be personal.

Tarek:               So just because there’s a trend on Instagram and everyone’s been doing crossfit and how many handstand pushups you doing and what 19.2, what is in whether those words mean, you want to make everything specific. So a client comes to you for a goal make their training and nutrition specific to that goal, not because something’s fun and you’ll think they’ll enjoy it. Make it identifiable to them, make it have some sort of meaning. And you can see the journey, they’re going to take and in your case explain the journey. You can’t say to them, okay, we’re going to do this workout for because it’s, if there’s no why or there’s reasoning mind, there’s no right or wrong. If there’s a reasoning behind and you can justify their reasoning and say to him, okay us doing this, is going to help you get to your goal and that long term, six months to a year goal where you’re sustainable in terms of your training and your lifestyle and so forth. Then that way they’ll appreciate more they’ll stay with you longer and they’ll find it more, let’s say quote unquote fun.

Tarek:               That’s kind of a thing. I find that people don’t make it personal enough and listening to the client. So the client is always, I want to say the client is always right, but 99% of the time the client is right. So the client will come and say to you, I want x, y, z you have to use your knowledge and your price to kind of talk to them about why some of their beliefs might not be 100% right, or some of the things they’ve said on that they’ve seen and they’ve read on Internet is incorrect. So our jobs as trainers is to be like them, you know what, I take on what you’re saying, but how about we do it this way? Or how about you incorporate this and more incorporate that more. And this habit and that habit and this lifestyle change.

Tarek:               So that’s again, why people will come to us because they’re doing certain thing and they’re not getting to the result they want to. It’s like you go see a doctor because something’s wrong with you at the moment in time. But yes you need to know when to chop and change.

Leigh:               Absolutely, definitely.